Erin Maillo:
Okay, everyone, welcome back to the Healing Her IBS podcast. I’m so happy to be with Lisa Zurotny today, who is a positively productive coach who helps people to just prioritize and organize their lives in a very interesting way. So you might be thinking to yourself. what does that have to do with IBS? But I promise you guys, this is gonna… this is gonna be useful for you. So, Lisa, thank you so much for being on the podcast today.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Erin, thank you so much for having me. I’m excited to dig into this with you.
Erin Maillo:
Me too, because it seems like on the surface level, like, what we do doesn’t have that much in common, but I think people are going to see that it really, really does.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Absolutely.
Erin Maillo:
So, would you mind just starting us off, just telling us, like, what it is you do, what it is you focus on, and if there’s any… if you can just make an initial connection, because I help women to recover from IBS, to get better from IBS. What connection do you see between what you do and that?
Lisa Zawrotny:
Sure, I’d love to share.
Okay, so, first of all, hi, I’m Lisa Zerotny, so I’m a productivity and life coach. I’m the host of the Positively Living podcast. We talk about shame-free productivity conversations there, okay? And, that’s one hint we’re gonna get into in a minute as to where the connection is. And essentially, I’m here to help us redefine productivity with compassion. So I help overwhelmed clients ditch hustle culture. And design shame-free, personalized systems that lead to sustainable success.
So, what we’re trying to do is avoid burnout. And avoid sacrificing what you love, too. You know, you want to be able to do what you love, but you need to do it in a way that’s compassionate for you. So that… that is what I’m about. Now, where the connection comes from is.
I’ve been through survival mode. I’ve been a caregiver. I’ve dealt with chronic illness. I have dealt with energy levels that are constantly fluctuating for so many reasons, and I’ve felt the frustration with traditional productivity approaches and techniques, and this hustle culture dry that says you have to go, go, go, and that you don’t have value if you don’t do the things, and
I kept thinking, well.
Do you even know my life? Do you know what I’m going through? Do you know how I feel, what I’m struggling with? This can’t possibly be right.
And I knew there had to be a better way, and it’s been a long journey of my own in discovering that, but now that’s specifically who I advocate for. So if anything, the… immediate connection is the fact that my people, the people I want to help be productive, are the people who are caregiving and dealing with chronic illness and the constant fluctuation of energy that makes the standard or the normal approach to time management and productivity and all the things that we think about, it’s almost… it feels impossible, but it’s not. There’s a better way, and I’m here to help. So, that’s… that’s the connection.
Erin Maillo:
Yes, absolutely. I just so, yeah, I absolutely relate, and I feel like I could have used your approach a lot, because when I was really struggling with IBS, I had to be really productive at the same time. Because I had a lot going on in my life, But it was… it was really, really challenging, and it caused me a lot of stress. to try to keep up with all my responsibilities and feel like I was failing. You know, and it was a loop. You know, it was this loop that, like, the harder I tried, the worse my sickness got, the more symptoms I had, the less productive I could be,
So, why do you think that there’s…
So many capable women out there who feel like they’re failing at productivity even when, like, their plates are overflowing. They’re… they really are doing so much, but they feel like… they’re failing. Do you know what I mean?
Lisa Zawrotny:
Yeah, I do, and I’ve lived it, and I still have to fight the good fight, you know? So I’m a caregiver, a mom, I mean, inherently, being a mom is also being a caregiver, but I was a caregiver for my mother, I am now helping with my mother-in-law now. The idea that, you know.
we somehow are valued by what it is that we do or we achieve, I think is the first… sort of myth out there, and it’s… it’s something that society has… has… driven into us, I think, for a long time.
You know, no offense to dads, because I do love them, and I appreciate them so much, but we don’t hear about dad guilt, we hear more about mom guilt, right? We hear about… this, I should be doing these the following things, you know, and I haven’t gotten to that. And I think that that…
That exists no matter, who you are and what you’re dealing with, but I think it’s especially frustrating when you are dealing with chronic illness. But yeah, I think society has sort of built this up, in terms of the whole, idea that women, especially. Can have it all, but somehow we translated that to, and therefore we have to do it all.
Erin Maillo:
Yes, yes. Absolutely. Exactly, we have to do it all, and we want so many things, too. This is the thing about women, it’s like, we’re… we’re so… I mean, not to stereotype, but I feel like women’s desires and our… and our… how much that we want from life.
this direct… Combat, or this direct fight with… prioritizing, right? And… and these expectations internally or externally that… you know, that sometimes need to shift. Sometimes we need to… Take things off of our plates? Sometimes we need to ask for help and more support. So…
And especially for women with IBS, or any… I guess anyone with chronic illness, someone who is healing. How do you feel like those expectations need to shift, either internally or externally. Do you have any… do you have any tips for that?
Lisa Zawrotny:
So…
Let’s just start with this point that you’ve made, which I think is so important for us to reiterate, right? Which is that I think one of the biggest issues is this perception that we have. Sometimes it’s the expectations we place on ourselves, and that it is, in fact, internal. So, being very clear and communicating with everyone around you as to what the actual expectations are. is so critical. So that’s kind of a point of what’s happening, as well as a tip at the same time, and it… it heads into that Other point that you made about asking for help, but it’s… it’s not even about asking for help, it’s more about managing everyone’s expectations through communication.
I think it’s incredibly important for us to step back, and I’m so glad that we’re having this conversation. This is the kind of conversation we all need to keep having so we can say, oh yeah, I guess I have been putting too much on myself.
I just coached, a client, actually did it on the air, so it’s, on my podcast, and, you know, the minute we got into, okay, but what are you trying to manage right now? She’s a mom, and she’s a business owner, and she’s like… and I was like, so that’s a lot, right? And she’s like.
I guess, like, she didn’t even want to admit that that’s a lot, and I think it’s so important for us To say, whoa, this is a lot, and… a lot in the context of how we’re feeling. You know, when you’re dealing with IBS, you understand what I mentioned before about energy fluctuations, right? And how some days you have days that you can take on the world, and other days you’re like, the world just took me on. I literally cannot.
Being able to acknowledge that, accept it, because I know it’s humbling and frustrating. And being able to communicate that with others and say. you expect me to be Wonder Woman, and there are a lot of days I can be, and then some days, I can’t. And it’s going to happen fast. We need to communicate and be on the same page. Do you want to support me in this? It’s not always asking about help so much as having everyone around you, your family, your friends, even co-workers, understanding where you’re at and how to quickly communicate what your capacity is. That’s what I think is kind of, if we’re going to distill it down, to the most basic idea, that’s what I think it is.
Erin Maillo:
Yeah, and… and with IBS, it’s tricky, too, because I think we carry so much shame Around it, because it’s… it has to do, you know, with, like, your gut, and having to go to the bathroom, and, you know, some people have urgency, some people, you know, it… it can be really debilitating for people, because… they feel like, how can I even go to work? What if I have an emergency? What if this happens? And I think you’re right, it’s like, this piece of communicating With the people that you need support from in a way And… and kind of trying to confront the shame And move through it. is so uncomfortable that I think a lot of people just avoid it.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Oh, absolutely. And that’s why my whole, like, basis of productivity is shame-free conversations. Because whatever it is, it’s guilt, it’s the perception of not being valuable enough, it’s, you know, that next level of of shame because of the specifics of IBS, and like you said, what you have to deal with, and…
Yeah, I think coming to terms with that, even coming to terms with it in an internal dialogue, can be difficult, because that’s tough stuff to deal with, and then to encourage communication, I know that’s a big ask, but…
You may already have an example of this, where it has worked, you know, someone very close to you, or even, like, let’s just go with a bestie, right, as an example. And you’ve explained to them, okay, this is what’s happening with me, and they are very willing to accommodate you and work with you, and…
I think more people are… not saying everyone, there’s always going to be people who just don’t get it. But the more that you’re willing to have the conversation, two important things happen. One, you will find more people who do get it, and are willing, or at least can say, I didn’t even realize. that that was a thing. Okay, we can accommodate it. And then the second thing is, the more you have those conversations, the more you model for others.
I love having conversations with other women And just saying, you know what? It’s okay for us to reschedule, or to adjust. It’s okay for you to tell me that time won’t work for you, or you need extra time. It’s okay for you to say. I’m not my best today.
And the more that we have these conversations with each other, we make it okay, and we model this kind of… expectation management, and it’s not just the management, it’s the acceptance. Like, yeah. Life lifes us hard sometimes, and the more that we say, and it’s okay. For it to lay us flat, and for us to be like, okay, I gotta recover. The better off we’re all going to be for it.
Erin Maillo:
Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, I mean, I just think of an example, because when I was… when my IBS was the worst, it, was… my son was very young, he was, like, 2 or 3, and, My symptoms were much, much worse at night.
So, you know, we’d get back from work, and it’d be, like, cooking dinner, and having dinner, and cleaning up from dinner, and bedtime, and it was just so much. Like, it was… it was so much. There was, like, back-to-back things that needed to happen, and me and my husband, you know, tag-teaming and doing… and then I would eat dinner. And then I would be, a lot of times, in a lot of pain. Super bloated, super uncomfortable, a lot of stomach pain.
And I just felt like, it doesn’t matter. Like, I just have to keep, like, I just have to keep doing this. This needs to get done, this needs to get done, this needs to get done. Until someone told me, like. you, a practitioner, told me, you really need to take care of yourself and rest during that time, and you need to lay down, and like, this is what you should do. And it was almost like I got that permission from somebody outside of me to be like. this is how you need to take care of yourself. It was like, I couldn’t give myself It seemed too indulgent. to do that. To say… and then to have that conversation with my husband to say, listen. every single time I’m feeling bad, I’m gonna go in the bedroom and shut the door, and just leave it all to you for a half an hour? You know, I was like, I can’t ask him, I can’t do… that’s not fair, I can’t put that on him. But he was so… He was like, of course!
You know, of course, you know, he… he didn’t know what to do. He could, you know, it had to be me. It had to be me to initiate that.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Yeah, and when we mask, what’s happening with us, they… those around us who love us can’t know to help, can’t understand, you know. I mean, I think to this day, the conversations I have with my husband are sometimes like, do you understand how I’m feeling today? What’s going on with me? You know, here’s where I’m at. And he’s like, oh, like. Because I’m, you know, in go mode, and I think you’re right, I think that happens so much. So, again, it comes back to that communication, and… And what a beautiful response, where he says, of course.
I think the more that… I know, again, it’s humbling and it’s difficult to bring this up, but for people who truly care. They want to help, and sometimes helping for them can simply be like, I acknowledge that, go do what you need to do, and I got this.
And they want to, so that’s a beautiful, a beautiful response, and so hopefully that’s encouraging to say, well, let’s do it with others as well. Keep having this conversation, because there are more people out there. who really… Who want what’s best for us, and don’t always know either that there’s a problem or how to help.
Erin Maillo:
Exactly.
I was wanting to ask you, too, about… Like, how do you see, incorporating, like, productivity and also, like, incorporating joy and pleasure and relaxation, like, where does that fit into it for you, do you think?
Lisa Zawrotny:
So, I think that it all comes down to energy, and it’s one of my favorite conversations to have, because when people think productivity, and they’re like, oh, you’re a productivity coach, so let’s talk about time management, and talk about your calendar, and talk about, you know, planning, and goal setting, and tasks, and habits, and all of that’s correct.
But there are things that need to be set up before that, and it really comes down to Understanding, like, yourself, and that self-awareness is your most, like, powerful productivity tool.
And some of that has to do with, you know, what are your values? How do you want to live? How you want to show up in the world? What are your strengths and, your personality? You know, are you extroverted or introverted, or really, it’s somewhere on a sliding scale, right? And, you know, what… what really, works for you versus doesn’t in terms of how you approach things.
But even before that, if we’re gonna manage time, which we don’t really do, we manage what happens within time. The only way we do that is, you mentioned earlier, prioritizing, right? How do we choose what to do and when? That’s the big part of it. But also, how do we manage ourselves?
And it’s extra important when we have a chronic illness, because it’s about our energy. Think about the ways in which we, show up To even the same task, depending upon our energy. You know, one simple task can be, like, nothing on a good day. But when you’re having a flare-up, It can feel impossible.
When you are feeling frustrated and demotivated. That same task can feel like you’re slogging through it. But when you get excited, and you’ve got good news, or you’ve had a really great conversation with someone, like, this lights me up, right? of conversation and sharing this information and encouragement and hope. then I get jazzed. So the next thing I’m going to do after we talk is going to be different because I’m bringing a different energy to it.
So, when you think about that. you think about our energy management as being imperative for how we get the things done we want to get done, and get to the things we want to do, right? Our passions. And there’s different things. It’s acknowledging where our energy is, finding ways to boost our energy. And that ties in beautifully To the things that bring us joy.
We often see things that we love to do. as, well, that’s not the priority, or I’ll get to that after I get these other things done. And we rarely see them as a way to prime our productivity and to show up better.
Now, self-care is a very obvious one, right? And that’s a need, even, that we don’t even realize, that we need… to take care of ourselves. And then, like you said, you get permission from a doctor, or a therapist, or, you know, a practitioner of some kind that says, no, you have to do this.
You realize once you do. You take that 30 minutes to recover. You show up far differently the rest of the evening than if you were to just push through. So yeah, I think it’s all about energy management, and I think the takeaway here is When it comes to joy and passion and doing those things you love, those can actually crime Productivity.
Erin Maillo:
I could not agree more. I could not agree more. And when it comes to IBS, I think a lot of women don’t fully understand that Prioritizing or implementing the joy and the pleasure and the relaxation into your schedule is One of the main medicines For actually getting better, so that you don’t have to deal with this chronic illness anymore.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Yeah, you’re reducing your stress, you are… you’re nourishing your nervous system.
Erin Maillo:
Absolutely. Yeah.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Well, that brings productivity. So, yeah, it brings healing, and it brings productivity, and I think that’s the important connection here, and something that I wish more and more people would understand, is the more that we prioritize healing, the more we will actually elicit productivity.
Erin Maillo:
Exactly.
I… I also love that you’re on the podcast, just selfishly, because I’ve always been… I’ve had to work very hard against, I guess you would call, like, my more rigid side of my personality, and so I’ve always loved… to-do list, making to-do lists, crossing off to-do… God, da-da-da-da. And, you know, as I grow older, I can start to see The positive sides and the negative sides of that habit, or whatever you want to call it.
What do you see as… Either the problem with, like, a traditional to-do list for, like. maybe people who are overwhelmed, or who are healing, or are there gentler ways? Do you… how do you feel about a to-do list?
Lisa Zawrotny:
So, first of all, I’m with you. I think they’re fabulous, and there is something to that, right? Having a checklist and checking things off, those are dopamine hits, right? So those are good things.
But I think, you know, the saying, the poison is in the dose, right? Is the idea of how rigid are you making this to the point where you have this list, and then if you don’t get it done, you feel like you are not enough. Or if it’s too much for your capacity, especially in a day you have a flare-up, or something like that.
The idea that you do need to bring some flexibility in, and so that’s an interesting point, that if that is not something you were inclined to do before, treating your schedule in a way that’s flexible, having a sliding scale in terms of what you’re doing, may be something new.
But going back to the to-do list idea, I think inherently, they are great. What we want to be careful of are the traps. I just mentioned the trap of feeling like you’re not enough, or it’s not good if you didn’t get all the things done, you know, understanding the right amount.
And that brings me into, I think, the biggest problem that I see across the board, and it’s especially important if you’re dealing with chronic illness and fluctuating energy, is this idea of Making sure you’re working with the right to-do list. I see people working with the wrong one all the time, and They start with the right idea, okay? You know, you think about, what are all the things on my mind right now? What do I have to do? What’s on the other 5 to-do lists that I had going? I know, I know. And, you know, how do I put this all together? Let me write it down, let me get it… You know, all together here, out of my brain, all of that’s good. It’s wonderful. You’re on the right track.
The problem is thinking. That everything that you just captured and you wrote down is actually your to-do list. It is not. It is your to-choose list. And it’s the pool from which you will choose to make a to-do list. Based on the day, the time, your energy, all of the things happening in your life. That’s… that’s really the key.
And I do have a system relating to that, I have a framework around it, but… that’s… that’s really, the place where everyone is tripped up, and that’s the thing that you need to watch for. Do you want me to dig into that a little bit.
Erin Maillo:
Yeah, if you could, that would be great, because it’s fascinating to me. I’d be happy to.
Lisa Zawrotny:
So, this idea of, you know, I encourage people to do a mind sweep, I call it, that David Allen has a system called Getting Things Done, and he calls it a mind sweep. Sometimes people will call it a brain dump, you know, it’s basically getting stuff out of your brain. and into a safe space, and that is a very good thing. You want to do that.
I have a free resource regarding, it’s called the Mindsuite Package, and it has, like, a workbook, and it has me in your ear guiding you through how to do this. It’s, like, 5 minutes. You clear your brain. Wonderful. You pull things from all those other to-do lists, all the other places.
But when you have that to-choose list, you need to process it before it can actually become a to-do list, and I have a method called the four Ds. There are some other methods out there that are kind of similar, you hear people say, to, delegate something, or to do it, you know, and…
Mine, I have four Ds, very specifically, and in a very specific order for reasons, which I’ll get into. And that’s because the first thing is actually delete, which sounds funny. You’re like, no, I just wrote this down. I just moved it from another list. I just thought of it.
But here’s the key. When you’re trying to declutter a closet, let’s say, and this was my background as a professional organizer, so I always think in terms of clutter, we have a lot of stuff, right? Obligations, expectations of our own, things on our list. That maybe don’t belong, if we’re being realistic.
So, don’t list what you don’t intend to do. That’s why when you’re making an actual to-do list, don’t just have everything haphazardly on there. It’s going to get in the way, it’s gonna trigger that shame and guilt, it’s gonna drive you crazy because your mind is always gonna go, oh, wait, what about that? What about that? Oh, I didn’t do that. And it’s… it’s gonna follow you around. I’m sure you know what I mean, right?
Yeah, I do, yes. Yeah, and it’s an awful feeling, so all it’s doing is cluttering up the works and making you less efficient and less productive.
So, think about what really belongs, and if there are things that lingered, if there are things that you’re like, how did this even get on my to-do list? Someone else put it there? Like, check for those things, and if they really don’t belong, or maybe they’re outdated. it’s time to let it go. It’s a time to be ruthless for your own sake, and for the sake of all the other things that really need to get done.
So that’s the first D. The second one is to delegate. Now you’re asking the question, alright, I have this on the list, how can it get done? you’re not saying, how can I do it? Now you’re starting to get creative. Can I ask for some help? Or can I… you know, outsource it, like, I’ll pay someone to do it, or maybe I can barter.
And that’s great, you can definitely work with other people, but don’t forget, too, that there are ways to automate. You can delegate through automation as well.
Erin Maillo:
Hmm.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Right? You have calendar systems that can send people reminders before your meeting, and you didn’t have to do that. It can still get done that way. And it’s off your plate. Wonderful.
The third D is to delay. And this is very specific in that now that you’ve removed what really doesn’t belong, and you’ve outsourced what you can. Now you have the stuff left, and it’s still probably too much.
There’s going to be some stuff that’s… maybe not a someday, you don’t have to wait forever, but it’s a not right now. That’s a… that’s a prioritization to say, is it a now or not right now? Because we get caught up in this feeling of urgency. It’s on my list, I have to do it right now. But do you?
So, not everything needs to be done immediately, and… If you can set it aside intentionally. It feels so much different than if you keep it there and your mind still goes, oh, I have to get to that, I have to get to that, I didn’t get to that.
Instead, you can say, no, I will see you in 2 weeks, or 2 months, you know, like. I’ll get to you, you’re a knot right now. And when you intentionally—
Erin Maillo:
Remove it?
Lisa Zawrotny:
It’s not removed completely, it’s just… Out of your immediate focus. Now you have more space to get to the fourth D, which is DO. Now you have your real to-do list. Now it’s time to take action on that.
Now you have the list that you can apply all those classic productivity techniques to. You can use the Pomodoro Method, you can use the Eisenhower Matrix to figure out what’s urgent and what’s important. Now you can… you’re working with— Imagine the difference, right, between all those things you pulled together in the beginning, and then this, what’s left to do, right?
Yeah. How does that feel? Does that feel, like, much more doable, literally?
Erin Maillo:
That feels way more doable, and I love that the first two are delete and delegate.
Because it’s… it’s like narrowing it down. It’s like, you… you’ve got to… and… and pushing… I… I absolutely agree with you, pushing things off, taking things off.
When I was going through… the height of my IBS, it was like, oh, I can’t, you know, I always cleaned my own house, and it… but it was so… it was so stressful to work full-time, to have my son, and I felt like, we don’t have the money, we don’t have the money, but it’s like…
I was like, I need this. I can’t spend 4 hours every week cleaning my house. We’re gonna have to, you know, arrange the budget, and… Arrange it so that we can make this work, because… I am working full-time, and there can be money moved around in order to take this pressure off me.
And also, why is it on me? Like, what? Do you know what I mean? It’s another thing.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Fine question.
Erin Maillo:
The way that we’re, you know, enculturated as women, it’s like, it’s just on me. I just somehow, like, swallowed that Kool-Aid that it was my responsibility, and it’s like, no, either we split this… Or you do it, or we’re paying for someone.
Sometimes it’s kind of like… getting a little, I don’t want to say brutal, but getting really honest about what you can and cannot do. In order for your own… sanity and well-being, and for women with IBS, For your own healing, because you need time in your schedule To take care of yourself, to meal prep, to include movement, to include some relaxation, to include joy, all of that Kind of needs to be a part of your… Day.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Yeah, and that’s not meant to be earned, and I think that takes a lot of relearning for us, is to say, oh, I earned my nap. No, you need a nap.
And you need that rest, and you need that reset, and I promise you, when you have that, like, I bet that made such a difference for you, right? And then, everything else you’re doing that you are focusing on, that you are taking care of. you show up completely differently for.
And then, so, therefore, you’re more efficient, you’re probably… you can… even from a practical standpoint, you can have the potential to earn more money as a result of… Exactly. having taken those things off your shoulders, or…
It’s about finding the right things for you, right? It’s about taking care of your needs and figuring out, okay, because sometimes with delegating, you know, there’s certain things you’re like. I… I suck at this.
Like, the first thing I ever delegated with my business was bookkeeping, because I’m like, not about the math thing. I just… I mean, I can math, I just… I don’t enjoy it. It feels like a slog.
But have a conversation like this, and encourage and coach people off the cuff, I’m there. You know, it’s your strengths, it’s the things that feel good, it’s the things that you can do, even if you’re low energy, it’s the things that you love that light you up.
Find those, and stick with those, and you’ll be incredibly efficient, and then find help for the others, and now. What else do you need?
Erin Maillo:
Yeah, absolutely, I love it.
Okay, do you have, an idea or a suggestion of… What does a quote-unquote productive life look like for a woman who is… Truly honoring herself.
Lisa Zawrotny:
So I love to define productivity as doing the right thing. Right time. The right way for you.
So, when things feel aligned, And I think, simply, when you go to bed at night feeling like, yep. But took names, you know? And not every day is gonna be, like, this huge win. There’s… but there’s also always going to be more to do.
So when you feel like. I… the things I needed to, and I did the things I loved.
You know, that delay part in there is wonderful when you have that passion that you talked about, all these things that you want to do and try. I work with a lot of multi-passionates as well.
And, it’s like, you can’t do everything at once, but you can dream about it and think about it. And so, being able to touch upon maybe one or two of those things, or a little bit of each. making sure that there’s harmony in the day.
I’m careful about the word balance, because that suggests evenness that really can’t exist realistically in life. But harmony means that there’s this blend, where you get a wonderful kind of buffet each day, and it is going to be sliding scale.
Sometimes it’s going to be more work and less play, and some days it’s going to be more play and less work, but… When you feel like, overall. And it can be day, it can be week, it can be month, that you see a trend where you feel like Each part of you. is being nourished and served and honored.
To me. that’s where you’ve hit your stride, productivity-wise. It’s where it’s… you are doing the things you’re passionate about, you are getting the things that you need.
And it’s not always ideal, and it’s not always equal, it can’t… really can never be. But when you feel like, overall, when you’re averaging it out. You feel good about, Each of those elements, that you feel satisfied in what you’re achieving, and you feel good about what you’re doing for yourself. and you feel like, yeah, I’m ready to do this again the next day, to me, that’s… That’s productivity success.
Erin Maillo:
Yeah, that’s beautiful, thank you so much.
Thank you so much, Lisa. Could you just tell my listeners. You know, you mentioned you have a podcast. How… is there anything that you want to share that could help people implement the things that you’ve been talking about today, or get help from you, or to follow you? Where can they get in touch and learn more?
Lisa Zawrotny:
Thank you so much for asking. So, the hub where you’ll find everything is positivelyproductive.com, and I have a resources page there.
That has both my productivity toolkit that has worksheets, workbooks really in it, to guide you through, like, something called a joy list that we talked about, things that you love to do. Sometimes it’s helpful to have a quick reminder of the things that you love so you can integrate it in in a sliding scale. 5 minutes one day, you know, 5 hours the next, whatever works.
And then there’s also the Guided Mindsuite package, that’s also for free. We talked about that, and in that package is not only the workbook and the guided audio, but the list of the four Ds. So if that was something that, like, caught your attention today, and you’re like, I’d love to review that, you can go and grab that package.
And yes, you’re listening to an amazing podcast right now, and I’d be honored if you’d come check out mine as well, Positively Living. It’s shame-Free Productivity Conversations. You can find it on any platform as well, and… There’s a lot of, repeat conversations, that we, on the topics we’ve had today, if you’re like, I want to listen to this again and again, you can definitely do that there.
Erin Maillo:
That’s amazing, yeah, because I really feel a lot of times there’s a… there’s a disconnect, because sometimes women know… know what they should be doing. Things that they need to do in order to heal their IBS, or get more towards recovery, but they don’t know how to make it a reality in their lives, because their lives feel already so packed and so unmanageable.
But I… I do think that there is a way to unlearn and to relearn These things, and kind of decondition ourselves, from putting everything on our shoulders, and then we’re just kind of being crushed.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Absolutely.
You really understand and believe in the power of small steps.
Erin Maillo:
Yes. Yes, absolutely, that you can’t change everything overnight, absolutely. But you can change a lot, step by step, moving towards doing little things, yeah, absolutely.
Oh, this was such a lovely conversation, Lisa. I really appreciate you being here and sharing your experience and your expertise with my listeners today. Thank you so much.
Lisa Zawrotny:
Thank you so much, it’s really been my pleasure.
Erin Maillo:
Thank you.